zzz201 寫:kingcable
純銀0.8M 3.5mm轉RCA－575元<=====0.8M現在還有嗎
只看到==>純銀 3.5mm 轉 RCA頭 1M-780元
...
20CM就多了快200元ㄟ.....
是材料不一樣嗎......還是又漲價了..........
基本上,特殊長度他是可以幫你做的,
只是網頁上不會有報價,
價格是另外算的,:D,
小弟也有跟他買過.
AndAudio.com
聊耳機、品音樂、論音響、玩電子DIY以及哈拉風花雪月的地方請推薦比較好的音色溫暖 3.5 mm <==> RCA 公對公 線
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由 qt 發表於 週二 7月 13, 2004 4:12 pm
kingcable 寫:zzz201 寫:kingcable
純銀0.8M 3.5mm轉RCA－575元<=====0.8M現在還有嗎
只看到==>純銀 3.5mm 轉 RCA頭 1M-780元
...
20CM就多了快200元ㄟ.....
是材料不一樣嗎......還是又漲價了..........
您好:
是結構改了
(背景更乾淨,聲音表現更好)
純銀用量加了一倍
過幾天會把圖片補上
謝謝
拿到新版的線了....感覺上沒像之前有人說高音過亮的情形...
音感增加了.....人聲跟高音表現不錯...我是用USA+711+ER4P測試...不過線RUN過會不會更好啊
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由 JY 發表於 週六 7月 17, 2004 8:33 am
這一版做3.5轉RCA除了crosstalk可能會比較嚴重一點..
聲音應該會好上不少吧... 尤其要是拿來做平衡訊號線更是沒話說...
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看了規格之後想問一個問題...
請問線材王兄Star Quad版純銀訊號線用的中心導體是跟純銀 平衡線 XLR相同線徑的嗎?
聲音應該會好上不少吧... 尤其要是拿來做平衡訊號線更是沒話說...
--
看了規格之後想問一個問題...
請問線材王兄Star Quad版純銀訊號線用的中心導體是跟純銀 平衡線 XLR相同線徑的嗎?
『這裡、那裡、以及彼端。我們所身處的這裡，既不是天堂也非地獄。只是暫時的停留，是一個學校，或是一個轉戾點。我們在這裡學習，等待進步。我們不為什麼而活，但是我們不怕死亡。』 － ヤюЪ
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由 kingcable 發表於 週六 7月 17, 2004 11:37 am
JY 寫:這一版做3.5轉RCA除了crosstalk可能會比較嚴重一點..
聲音應該會好上不少吧... 尤其要是拿來做平衡訊號線更是沒話說...
--
看了規格之後想問一個問題...
請問線材王兄Star Quad版純銀訊號線用的中心導體是跟純銀 平衡線 XLR相同線徑的嗎?
您好:
crosstalk----Star Quad結構就是將串音解決之最好方式.所以是更好.而不是嚴重.
(平行線才會crosstalk嚴重)
ps:
相同線徑的嗎?-------不同喔
謝謝
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由 JY 發表於 週六 7月 17, 2004 12:18 pm
>相同線徑的嗎?-------不同喔
單純只是好奇... 謝解惑...
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印象中starquad的優勢主要在於平衡線的使用上...
而且限定於一聲道的訊號走一隻starquad...
starquad的做法可以在相同的線徑(AWG總數)下因平行導體增加...
間接的導致"肌膚"增加而保持較低的inductance..對高頻傳輸較有利..
並因為其絞繞方式對外在的影響較不敏感..也同時洩漏較少的磁束...
故在專業環境中被廣泛應用...
來仔細看看starquad的設計..
starquad的做法是將四根互相絕緣的導體盡量緊密的湊在一起...
原意是在於製造類似互絞線(twisted pair)這種正負導體極接近的設計...
當導體越是接近.. 在平衡傳輸下就對外來的雜訊有越強的抗力...
並因平衡線上跑的是有別於單端訊號的反相/同強度的訊號...
貼近反而有助於該導線整體維持在零電位.. 而不去影響其他附近的東西..
比起單純的互絞線.. starquad對其他導線的影響更小...
而較低的電感則是附贈的....
不過當單股starquad拿來走兩聲道訊號時就比較不合適了...
因為左右聲道的導體被緊緊的平行排在一起...
這時這個在平衡傳輸上有利的設計就成了容易造成較高串音的元兇...
小小的建議...
個人認為貴寶號的麥克風線設計要更來的適合做成3.5->RCA訊號線...
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starquad的資料是憑印象寫的.. 有錯誤的地方請諸位多多只較...
單純只是好奇... 謝解惑...
--
印象中starquad的優勢主要在於平衡線的使用上...
而且限定於一聲道的訊號走一隻starquad...
starquad的做法可以在相同的線徑(AWG總數)下因平行導體增加...
間接的導致"肌膚"增加而保持較低的inductance..對高頻傳輸較有利..
並因為其絞繞方式對外在的影響較不敏感..也同時洩漏較少的磁束...
故在專業環境中被廣泛應用...
來仔細看看starquad的設計..
starquad的做法是將四根互相絕緣的導體盡量緊密的湊在一起...
原意是在於製造類似互絞線(twisted pair)這種正負導體極接近的設計...
當導體越是接近.. 在平衡傳輸下就對外來的雜訊有越強的抗力...
並因平衡線上跑的是有別於單端訊號的反相/同強度的訊號...
貼近反而有助於該導線整體維持在零電位.. 而不去影響其他附近的東西..
比起單純的互絞線.. starquad對其他導線的影響更小...
而較低的電感則是附贈的....
不過當單股starquad拿來走兩聲道訊號時就比較不合適了...
因為左右聲道的導體被緊緊的平行排在一起...
這時這個在平衡傳輸上有利的設計就成了容易造成較高串音的元兇...
小小的建議...
個人認為貴寶號的麥克風線設計要更來的適合做成3.5->RCA訊號線...
--
starquad的資料是憑印象寫的.. 有錯誤的地方請諸位多多只較...
『這裡、那裡、以及彼端。我們所身處的這裡，既不是天堂也非地獄。只是暫時的停留，是一個學校，或是一個轉戾點。我們在這裡學習，等待進步。我們不為什麼而活，但是我們不怕死亡。』 － ヤюЪ
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由 kingcable 發表於 週六 7月 17, 2004 11:20 pm
crosstalk----Star Quad結構就是將串音解決之最好方式.所以是更好.而不是嚴重.
參考一下
Crosstalk
Cables with twisted pairs are used where balanced signal transmission is required, together
with low crosstalk. Crosstalk refers to interference on one channel caused by a signal in
another channel and occurs between cable pairs carrying separate signals. This definition
embraces both near end crosstalk and far end crosstalk. Near end crosstalk is the crosstalk
which is propagated in a disturbed channel in the opposite direction to the current in the
disturbing channel, and far end crosstalk is propagated in a disturbed channel in the same
direction as the current in the disturbing channel.
Crosstalk is fundamentally the resultant of two factors, or couplings: capacitance
unbalance and mutual inductance. Capacitance unbalance gives rise to electrostatically
induced potential differences between the wires of the disturbed pair. This coupling is
important at all frequencies. When the capacitance of one conductor against the sheath and
all the other conductors is not the same as the capacitance of its mate (similarly measured)
the pair is said to have a capacitance unbalance, which is measured by the difference
between these two capacitances. When the capacitances are equal, the pair is said to be
balanced. It is generally desirable to keep the capacitance values as low as economically
practicable by using low permittivity insulations.
Mutual inductance gives rise to electromagnetically induced potentials along the wires of
the disturbed pair. This coupling exerts little influence at audio frequencies but becomes
increasingly important as the frequency increases.
Both couplings are due to departures from balance between the circuits concerned. In
design and manufacture, attempts are made to ensure that the distances between the wires of
one pair and the wires of another are equal, as well as the distances between each wire and
earth. This is done by careful choice and control of materials, insulation thicknesses and
twinning lays and tension, but unavoidably during manufacture small differences occur
which result in residual values of the couplings.
For unscreened pair cables at audio frequencies(本站不支援羅馬字.有些符號有誤.看看就好)
crosstalk = 20 log [8/(ωκ|Z|)] (dB/length)
where
w = 2πf
κ = capacitance unbalance between the two pairs for the relevant length(farad)
|Z| = modulus of the characteristic impedance of the pairs at frequency f Hz
Since capacitance unbalance is an electrostatic coupling, it can be reduced by enclosing either
or both of the interacting pairs in a screen. The screen need only be thin, and laminated foil
screens are generally used.
At higher frequencies, mutual inductance becomes important and differential twinning lays
in adjacent pairs are used to achieve the best results.
Design features
A variety of twisted pair designs is used. Conductors are generally in the range 18-24 AWG
solid or stranded, and tinned for ease of termination. PVC insulations are used for short
distances, and low speed data, but for higher speeds and longer distances polyethylene and
polypropylene in solid or cellular form are used. Individual pair screens to reduce crosstalk
are generally laminated foils and incorporate a drain wire to achieve satisfactory electrical
connections. Overall screens are used as protection from oufside interference and can be
laminated foils with or without an overall braid.
Overall sheaths are generally PVC formulated to suit the particular application, including
high and low service temperatures, and to impart flame retardance.
參考一下
Crosstalk
Cables with twisted pairs are used where balanced signal transmission is required, together
with low crosstalk. Crosstalk refers to interference on one channel caused by a signal in
another channel and occurs between cable pairs carrying separate signals. This definition
embraces both near end crosstalk and far end crosstalk. Near end crosstalk is the crosstalk
which is propagated in a disturbed channel in the opposite direction to the current in the
disturbing channel, and far end crosstalk is propagated in a disturbed channel in the same
direction as the current in the disturbing channel.
Crosstalk is fundamentally the resultant of two factors, or couplings: capacitance
unbalance and mutual inductance. Capacitance unbalance gives rise to electrostatically
induced potential differences between the wires of the disturbed pair. This coupling is
important at all frequencies. When the capacitance of one conductor against the sheath and
all the other conductors is not the same as the capacitance of its mate (similarly measured)
the pair is said to have a capacitance unbalance, which is measured by the difference
between these two capacitances. When the capacitances are equal, the pair is said to be
balanced. It is generally desirable to keep the capacitance values as low as economically
practicable by using low permittivity insulations.
Mutual inductance gives rise to electromagnetically induced potentials along the wires of
the disturbed pair. This coupling exerts little influence at audio frequencies but becomes
increasingly important as the frequency increases.
Both couplings are due to departures from balance between the circuits concerned. In
design and manufacture, attempts are made to ensure that the distances between the wires of
one pair and the wires of another are equal, as well as the distances between each wire and
earth. This is done by careful choice and control of materials, insulation thicknesses and
twinning lays and tension, but unavoidably during manufacture small differences occur
which result in residual values of the couplings.
For unscreened pair cables at audio frequencies(本站不支援羅馬字.有些符號有誤.看看就好)
crosstalk = 20 log [8/(ωκ|Z|)] (dB/length)
where
w = 2πf
κ = capacitance unbalance between the two pairs for the relevant length(farad)
|Z| = modulus of the characteristic impedance of the pairs at frequency f Hz
Since capacitance unbalance is an electrostatic coupling, it can be reduced by enclosing either
or both of the interacting pairs in a screen. The screen need only be thin, and laminated foil
screens are generally used.
At higher frequencies, mutual inductance becomes important and differential twinning lays
in adjacent pairs are used to achieve the best results.
Design features
A variety of twisted pair designs is used. Conductors are generally in the range 18-24 AWG
solid or stranded, and tinned for ease of termination. PVC insulations are used for short
distances, and low speed data, but for higher speeds and longer distances polyethylene and
polypropylene in solid or cellular form are used. Individual pair screens to reduce crosstalk
are generally laminated foils and incorporate a drain wire to achieve satisfactory electrical
connections. Overall screens are used as protection from oufside interference and can be
laminated foils with or without an overall braid.
Overall sheaths are generally PVC formulated to suit the particular application, including
high and low service temperatures, and to impart flame retardance.
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由 herroyuihk 發表於 週一 7月 19, 2004 12:03 am
抱歉!我也想發問
6N銅線和純銀線哪個比較適合高音出色的耳機
不過想想另一隻耳機又是高音收斂,中頻奔放
不會叫我買兩條吧!
6N銅線和純銀線哪個比較適合高音出色的耳機
不過想想另一隻耳機又是高音收斂,中頻奔放
不會叫我買兩條吧!
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由 kingcable 發表於 週一 7月 19, 2004 1:58 pm
skyian 寫:請問可以問一個比較入門的問題嗎
打算再HA-711和 UAB2702中間用線材連接
本來是打算用侯姐自製的DIAMONDBACK類比訊號線
現在又看到有純銀訊號線
兩者價差約一倍
想請問一下兩者的音色走向是否有很大差距
應該沒有誰勝誰劣的區分吧
我的預算大概在兩千元上下
有其他的線材可以推薦嗎
非常感謝
rkl 寫:請問一下線材王大~~!!
純銀訊號線(Star Quad版)和舊版的~~!!
會有很大的差別嗎~~~!!??
herroyuihk 寫:抱歉!我也想發問
6N銅線和純銀線哪個比較適合高音出色的耳機
不過想想另一隻耳機又是高音收斂,中頻奔放
不會叫我買兩條吧!
您好:
別家的線不予評論
原來的用過的都說讚
新版是在原有的基礎上加強音域平衡及背景乾靜
6N銅線和純銀線是兩個走向不同的訊號線
如果要擇一的話
就選純銀線
謝謝
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由 skull 發表於 週二 7月 20, 2004 2:04 pm
我也是買了線之後過一天出新版
結果...陸續又訂了一堆線材,現在手邊有6N銅和新舊版純銀訊號線(還有3.5mm轉接線 電源線 數位線 光纖等一堆)
之前感覺舊版銀線聲音薄,新版run了兩天之後,聲音跟舊版有很明顯的差異,介於舊版與銅線間,比較沒那麼刺激,但耐聽得多,音場自然舒適,不像銅線那樣狹窄聽了直衝腦門,其他詳細的等考完試再來慢慢比較
前天拿到電源線第一個感想:"我的天啊,和以前買的電源線比起來根本是青竹絲對大蟒蛇",不過剛接時上聲音還蠻悶的,run了兩天是有進步,不知道這麼粗的線要run多久聲音才會穩定?
結果...陸續又訂了一堆線材,現在手邊有6N銅和新舊版純銀訊號線(還有3.5mm轉接線 電源線 數位線 光纖等一堆)
之前感覺舊版銀線聲音薄,新版run了兩天之後,聲音跟舊版有很明顯的差異,介於舊版與銅線間,比較沒那麼刺激,但耐聽得多,音場自然舒適,不像銅線那樣狹窄聽了直衝腦門,其他詳細的等考完試再來慢慢比較
前天拿到電源線第一個感想:"我的天啊,和以前買的電源線比起來根本是青竹絲對大蟒蛇",不過剛接時上聲音還蠻悶的,run了兩天是有進步,不知道這麼粗的線要run多久聲音才會穩定?
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- 註冊時間: 週五 4月 20, 2001 4:16 pm
- 來自: 台北
由 kingcable 發表於 週二 7月 20, 2004 2:17 pm
skull 寫:我也是買了線之後過一天出新版
結果...陸續又訂了一堆線材,現在手邊有6N銅和新舊版純銀訊號線(還有3.5mm轉接線 電源線 數位線 光纖等一堆)
之前感覺舊版銀線聲音薄,新版run了兩天之後,聲音跟舊版有很明顯的差異,介於舊版與銅線間,比較沒那麼刺激,但耐聽得多,音場自然舒適,不像銅線那樣狹窄聽了直衝腦門,其他詳細的等考完試再來慢慢比較
前天拿到電源線第一個感想:"我的天啊,和以前買的電源線比起來根本是青竹絲對大蟒蛇",不過剛接時上聲音還蠻悶的,run了兩天是有進步,不知道這麼粗的線要run多久聲音才會穩定?
您好:
再罰一次
ps:
粗的線要run多久聲音才會穩定?--------60~80hr
謝謝
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